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oursin ([personal profile] oursin) wrote in [community profile] leftoverresearchquarterly2010-05-04 03:23 pm

Yeah, and 'white slavery' was pretty much hot air as well

This is not exactly left-over research, but it's certainly research I currently have going spare.

Word on the street is that a Certain Well-Known Writer of Historical Romances has compared fanfic of her works to white slavery (not in the current kerfuffle, but in an earlier debate on a posting board somewhere).

I'm not sure how it played out in other regions, but in the UK 'white slavery' became very early on a synonym for the drugging and kidnapping of perfectly innocent young girls* while they were out shopping, in cinemas, having a cup of tea in Lyons Corner House, etc.

It was pretty much entirely a sensationalist media trope, which profoundly irritated dedicated workers in moral reform and social purity organisations whenever it surfaced in the early C20th equivalent of the tabloid press. They repeatedly pointed out that in no case where it had been claimed that a girl had been abducted by brothelkeepers for their malign purposes had this ever turned out on investigation to be the case, and in most instances in which a young woman had left home and not returned, she had gone off of her own accord, usually with forethought and planning, to e.g. shack up with a boyfriend.

There is also an amusing letter written to the papers as late as the 1950s (when these myths were still flourishing) by a woman doctor pointing out that it's not really that easy to inject a fully clothed person both surreptitiously and effectively with a narcotic drug in the middle of a crowded public space, not to mention have it act with the expedition that would have been necessary if the stories were true.

The myth crops up persistently in fiction and memoirs of the early C20th (Jessica Mitford alludes to it in Hons and Rebels and in Dodie Smith's I Capture the Castle Cassandra is suspicious of a hospital nurse she spots in Lyons Corner House on account of having heard these tales).

I was particularly struck by the resemblance to this trope of the stories that started cropping up later in the C20th about people who had been doped and had their kidneys removed...

*Okay, I think it can plausibly be argued that the whole thing was strongly connected to women's increasing presence in public spaces for leisure activities and without chaperonage and the fears that aroused.

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[personal profile] msilverstar 2010-05-04 04:34 pm (UTC)(link)
Thanks for the real research. I hate that term with a blinding passion.

It says, blatantly, that enslaving brown people is one thing, but even the thought of white people (esp. women) being kidnapped and forced into prostitution (or whatever) is A SPECIAL CASE.

The next time I see someone using it non-ironically, I am so jumping on their ass.
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[personal profile] rydra_wong 2010-05-04 04:48 pm (UTC)(link)
*Okay, I think it can plausibly be argued that the whole thing was strongly connected to women's increasing presence in public spaces for leisure activities and without chaperonage and the fears that aroused.

Not to mention the obvious racial overtones -- it was all about the threat of innocent white maidens being kidnapped and sold, and IIRC the legends often involved them disappearing into the Middle East. All of which makes it a rather strange and unfortunate choice of metaphor.

(Tangentially, have you read Marek Kohn's Dope Girls? The moral panic about drugs in the 1910s and 1920s seems to have involved some rather similar imagery about innocent white middle- or upper-class girls being drugged and debauched by people of colour.)
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[personal profile] brewsternorth 2010-05-04 05:13 pm (UTC)(link)
Haven't read the book, no, but now I'm wondering if there was a similar shtick to the movie "Reefer Madness".
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[personal profile] rydra_wong 2010-05-04 08:23 pm (UTC)(link)
I'd love to know the title when it comes back to you -- I was fascinated by the topic.
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[personal profile] legionseagle 2010-05-18 09:27 pm (UTC)(link)
I loved Opium and the People and certainly Berridge was quite clear about the limits of opium dens in the East End (one woman and her sister-in-law, I think)
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[personal profile] badgerbag 2010-05-18 08:31 pm (UTC)(link)
Add James Joyce "Eveline" to the list! Eveline was being lured to Buenos Aires...
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[personal profile] legionseagle 2010-05-18 09:32 pm (UTC)(link)
Julie Andrews, Thoroughly Modern Millie ( if I recall correctly, first time that came out, me and my mother ended up in the film when I was < 10 because it was Julie Andrews and my mother got (not, with the benefit of hindsight, entirely unreasonably) cross about the bit when the girls were in bamboo cages labelled in Chinese characters which metamorphosed into Chinese style English saying, "To Big Nellie's Knocking Shop, Shanghai.")
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[personal profile] holyschist 2010-05-04 05:01 pm (UTC)(link)
I thought she just said "slavery"? Either way, wtf.

"White slavery" is still the plot of blockbuster movies (see that piece of shit movie with Liam Neeson...last year? Which was wrapped up in skanky stuff about virginity, too).
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[personal profile] rydra_wong 2010-05-05 08:34 am (UTC)(link)
No, it was "white slavery" specifically:

http://community.compuserve.com/n/pfx/forum.aspx?msg=58981.2&nav=messages&webtag=ws-books

A good bit of my objection to fanfic (aside from the copyright issues--and I'm not sure how these apply when you take characters from one medium and implement them in another; particularly when one medium is TV, in which episodes may be written by a lot of different people) is that 99% of it is Just Awful, and it's revolting to see your characters being made to do and say idiotic things, or be forced to enact simple-minded sex fantasies (which is what most fan-fic that comes to my unwilling attention is). Like someone selling your children into white slavery.

(I actually have some sympathy for the squickage of seeing your characters written in a way which you feel is OOC, but, you know, "it squicks me" =/= "it should be banned". And "white slavery" as a choice of metaphor is ... strange.)
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[personal profile] holyschist 2010-05-05 03:48 pm (UTC)(link)
DUDE. Wow, that is...wow.

No, I understand squick, but I don't understand this "it is IMMORAL and just like $realcrime". And white slavery? ARRRGH.

(I remembered the movie! Taken! I walked out of it really wanting to bang the heads of the writers together, and Liam Neeson for taking the role.)
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[personal profile] badgerbag 2010-05-18 08:34 pm (UTC)(link)
what what what.... WOW. I had noticed people talking about her saying something stupid, but I hadn't realized what.

Surely there is a whole popcorn-consumption inducing defence and fauxpology... I must look
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[personal profile] rydra_wong 2010-05-18 10:16 pm (UTC)(link)
Fandom Wank has the coverage, needless to say:

http://www.journalfen.net/community/fandom_wank/1246633.html

There was not a fauxpology, but there was a smidge of awkward backpedaling re: the fanfic thing (apparently the possibility that it might be done out of love was news to her) promptly followed by deletion and a fresh post about how her first novel was inspired by Frazer Hines in Doctor Who and so she sent him copies of the book in which the character inspired by him is graphically raped:

http://dira.dreamwidth.org/534447.html
http://cesperanza.dreamwidth.org/472116.html
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[personal profile] badgerbag 2010-05-19 12:43 am (UTC)(link)
Okay clearly I need to go read FW because my reaction to that was all about the truly horrible lulz
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[personal profile] rydra_wong 2010-05-19 03:29 pm (UTC)(link)
Isn't it magnificent?